 | | | Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Gabe Newell 's Mac comments. | Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Gabe Newell 's Mac comments. 2007-10-05 - By Errol Sayre
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> From my perspective (just personally, not-representing-my-employer,
> etc.), I can see huge dividends for OpenGL patches separate from OS
> updates. When we find an OpenGL bug, even if the fix is a simple
> one-liner for Apple to implement, it has to wait for the next OS
> update. If the OS has end-of-lifed, then there's no vehicle for the
> fix at all. Just as one concrete example, there was a problem
> introduced with the 10.3.9 update affecting Warcraft III on GF2MX,
> and that was never fixed because there were no future 10.3 updates.
> We had to tell users to downgrade to 10.3.8 or upgrade to Tiger to
> solve it (it was fixed early on in 10.4's lifespan, shortly after
> 10.4.0). Of course there is no official way to downgrade to 10.3.8
> other than a reinstall, which is difficult for everyone involved.
> If OpenGL wasn't tied to OS updates, we could have just told the
> 10.3 users to run Software Update and the next driver release would
> have fixed it.
What's a shame ?to me at least ?is that these things really aren't a
part of the OS and could be upgraded independently. QuickTime is a
prime example of this.
Now, as I said before, if some kernel change, or cocoa change is what
spurned the fix, I could see why Apple wouldn't release an upgrade
for an older OS, but I just don't see how a minor bug fix like this
in OpenGL would be dependent upon any such thing...
I don't see any reason why Apple couldn't release a "Core Graphics
Update" or "OpenGL Update" for an older version even if those updates
are included in a "Mac OS X Update" for a later version...
How exactly does one file a bug report about just plain bad
practices? I guess you could file a bug report that the fix still
hasn't been applied to an old version but there's nothing stopping
Apple from marking that as a duplicate of the fixed version...
<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line
-break: after-white-space; "><DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top
: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From my
perspective (just personally, not-representing-my-employer, etc.), I can see
huge dividends for OpenGL patches separate from OS updates. When we find an
OpenGL bug, even if the fix is a simple one-liner for Apple to implement, it
has to wait for the next OS update. If the OS has end-of-lifed, then there's no
vehicle for the fix at all. Just as one concrete example, there was a problem
introduced with the 10.3.9 update affecting Warcraft III on GF2MX, and that was
never fixed because there were no future 10.3 updates. We had to tell users to
downgrade to 10.3.8 or upgrade to Tiger to solve it (it was fixed early on in
10.4's lifespan, shortly after 10.4.0). Of course there is no official way to
downgrade to 10.3.8 other than a reinstall, which is difficult for everyone
involved. If OpenGL wasn't tied to OS updates, we could have just told the 10.3
users to run Software Update and the next driver release would have fixed it.<
/DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><DIV><SPAN class="Apple-style-span">What's a shame
?to me at least ?is that these things really aren't a part of the OS and <I
>could be upgraded</I>?independently. QuickTime is a prime example of this.<
/SPAN></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><SPAN class=
"Apple-style-span">Now, as I said before, if some kernel change, or cocoa change
is what spurned the fix, I could see why Apple wouldn't release an upgrade for
an older OS, but I just don't see how a minor bug fix like this in OpenGL would
be dependent upon any such thing...</SPAN></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block
-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I don't see any reason why Apple couldn't release a
"Core Graphics Update" or "OpenGL Update" for an older version even if those
updates are included in a "Mac OS X Update" for a later version...</DIV><DIV>
<BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>How exactly does one file a bug
report about just plain bad practices? I guess you could file a bug report that
the fix still hasn't been applied to an old version but there's nothing
stopping Apple from marking that as a duplicate of the fixed version...</DIV><
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