 | | | Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Gabe Newell 's Mac comments. | Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Gabe Newell 's Mac comments. 2007-10-07 - By Tobias Ford
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I really wish that they would allow the driver updates to be separate
from os updates. I understand when the updates are tied to the
window manager updates. In that case, roll it into the os updates.
But when it's a fix for incorrect functionality or fixing something
with Windows compatibility, it would be nice to get the updates sooner.
I guess, what I'm wishing for is that with current os point releases,
the graphic driver updates would be treated more akin to security
updates and happen more often. It was always a real bummer when on
my previous cross platform mmo, we'd report driver bugs that would be
fixed and patched within a month by ATI and Nvidia, but would then
wait for up to 4-5 months for the fixes to show up on OSX.
On Oct 5, 2007, at 12:45 PM, Phill Djonov wrote:
> > Actually, you can't. E.g. DX10 is Vista-only.
>
> True. But downloading a new graphics driver can still enable old
> DX9 capabilities
> that weren't previously available, or expose GL extensions that
> hadn't been supported
> before (and my understanding is that the DX10 equivalent GL
> extensions are available
> on XP and even 2K - I haven't tested this myself, but I see them
> supported on Linux so
> I don't really doubt it).
>
> DX10 may be Vista only, but DX9 is far from unsupported, and will
> remain so for a long
> time to come (if not directly by MS then at least on the hardware
> vendor side of things).
>
> > That needs to be back-ported so that devs can actually
> > use it, or else we still have to maintain multiple code
> > paths, with the end result being that improvements don't get
> > adopted.
>
> Very much in agreement here. I don't have time to write and test a
> code path for every
> possible combination of extensions. Not porting new GL extensions
> back to older systems
> (obviously within reason, I don't expect geometry programs on a
> Radeon 7x00) makes me
> want to ignore the new stuff (at least until it's become old) as
> I'd be doing a lot of work for
> a very small portion of my audience. There's a reason the GeForce2
> drivers support
> ARB_vertex_program...
>
> > If OpenGL wasn't tied to OS updates, we could have just told the
> > 10.3 users to run Software Update and the next driver release
> > would have fixed it.
>
> Yeah...
>
> Phill
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